This former Stockton, California, mayor created a guaranteed income program. Why Michael Tubbs says he is still obsessed with ending poverty
LK: You talk about how coming up in the educational system, you encountered racism or condescending teachers. You defied expectations when you were accepted to Stanford University. How did that educational experience change your perspective?From elementary school up until I graduated high school, I just did not get along with a lot of my teachers. And all of them were not racists, but some absolutely were. The classroom didn't feel safe for me.
LK: As an intern in President Barack Obama's White House, you found out that your cousin Donnell had been shot and killed in Stockton. What was that like, and how does Donnell's death influence you today?That was very jarring. Just dealing with the pain, the anger, the grief, the feeling of helplessness, almost feeling nihilistic, and also doing so from a place of privilege, like being in the White House, and being at Stanford and having been at Google before that.
LK: When running for city council, you had serendipitous run-ins with people like Oprah Winfrey and MC Hammer, who helped you financially. What was that like?It was so random in the best way. It was also confirmation that even though it was unlikely, even though it sounded like a crazy idea, that this was aligning with a greater purpose, that this was what I'm supposed to be doing.
Michael Tubbs, pictured here as a 22-year-old Stanford University graduate, worked to change his hometown of Stockton, California as a city council member and then as mayor.MC Hammer lives like 30 minutes away from Stockton. So we've had a couple dinners, we text, we did a Clubhouse conversation recently about basic income. I call him Uncle Hammer now.
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